...Landover Division did Bladensburg's PG routes?

[LandoverDivision]

Bladensburg has too much on it's hands with D.C routes as is, so why don't they have Landover ease Bladensburg's pressure a bit by doing routes like the R1,2,3,4,5 & 81,83,86 etc.? Just a thought.

[rideonrulez]

Because Landover is a different union.

[Scrabbleship]

1: I thought he meant a flat-out move of the R's and the rest of the PG-centric 80's to Landover from Bladensburg.

2: While I'm here, how did Landover end up in a different union? Is it a relic from the days of WM&A? Does it annoy WMATA that Landover is such a special case and have they ever tried to have Landover switch unions for unity?

[79MetroExtraMD]

1: I thought he meant a flat-out move of the R's and the rest of the PG-centric 80's to Landover from Bladensburg.

2: While I'm here, how did Landover end up in a different union? Is it a relic from the days of WM&A? Does it annoy WMATA that Landover is such a special case and have they ever tried to have Landover switch unions for unity?

Landover is Teamsters while the rest is ATU. IIRC, someone said it was probably from the DC Transit days that carried on when WMATA was formed. I do wish everyone was under the same union. Seems kinda strange to have this one garage have a different union while being under the Metro name.

[Scrabbleship]

Landover was a DC Transit garage? I though they'd have been WM&A given that a good amount of the letter-and-two number routes come out of there.

What would it take for a union switch? I know of cases of voting for a union within a company but I can't think of a case where an employer tries to get their employees to switch unions. Anyone have any precedent from any industry?

[WES]

Landover is one of the newer garages and up until the opening of the new West Ox Facility was the last garage WMATA built.  If I am correct, it opened in the late 80s,  maybe '88? 

Before Landover was built most of PG's routes were run by what used to be PG, but is now called the Southern Avenue Annex.  The F2, 84,85 and I think the 87 were all run by Bladensburg and the F4 run by Montgomery on the weekdays and Bladensburg on Saturday.

[WMAveteran]

Landover was a DC Transit garage? I though they'd have been WM&A given that a good amount of the letter-and-two number routes come out of there.

What would it take for a union switch? I know of cases of voting for a union within a company but I can't think of a case where an employer tries to get their employees to switch unions. Anyone have any precedent from any industry?

The WMA routes had letter designations but no "two number" designations.  For example the "R" route ran to Greenbelt and the "T" route ran to Bowie/Belair.  WMA only had one garage (at Southern Avenue and Marlboro Pike) and all WMA routes ran from that garage regardless of destination.  The two number designations evolved from DC Transit trolley routes: for example, the "80" ran to Brookland and Catholic University, the "82" ran to Eckington, Riverdale and Mt. Rainier; the "84" ran to Beltsville and Branchville. Similar routes like the "30", "40", "50" "60", "70", "90" were originally streetcar lines also.

[DCT S9Z4Z6]

Before Landover was built most of PG's routes were run by what used to be PG, but is now called the Southern Avenue Annex.  The F2, 84,85 and I think the 87 were all run by Bladensburg and the F4 run by Montgomery on the weekdays and Bladensburg on Saturday.

The F4 & its sister the F6 were NEVER run from Montgomery.
When the F4-6 was created after METRO cut the J2-J4 into 2 different routes, it created the F4-6 & was operated from Northern. The F4 ran to New Carrolton, and before the ORANGE line opened, the F4 layed over by the McDonalds at 450 & Princess Garden Pkwy. (My Step-Dad gave up his Z3 Olney to do the F4 New Carrolton)

[Scrabbleship]

Landover was a DC Transit garage? I though they'd have been WM&A given that a good amount of the letter-and-two number routes come out of there.

What would it take for a union switch? I know of cases of voting for a union within a company but I can't think of a case where an employer tries to get their employees to switch unions. Anyone have any precedent from any industry?

The WMA routes had letter designations but no "two number" designations. For example the "R" route ran to Greenbelt and the "T" route ran to Bowie/Belair. 

I know this is a really delayed reply, but I should have clarified at that point that a good chunk of what WMA ran were rutes ending in two digits (T18, A12, P12, K13, C29, etc.) as opposed to the letter-number format that DC Transit had. Were there any WMA routes that simply were a letter followed by a number?

Of course, you'd know better than me when it comes to WMA

[WES]

Actually the C29 was created way after WMATA took over the private.  The precursor to that route was T10, T11.  As for WMA I am not sure if they had any routes that had a letter/single number route, when WMATA was taking over the privates, I was about to be introduced into the world

[WES]

Before Landover was built most of PG's routes were run by what used to be PG, but is now called the Southern Avenue Annex.  The F2, 84,85 and I think the 87 were all run by Bladensburg and the F4 run by Montgomery on the weekdays and Bladensburg on Saturday.

The F4 & its sister the F6 were NEVER run from Montgomery.
When the F4-6 was created after METRO cut the J2-J4 into 2 different routes, it created the F4-6 & was operated from Northern. The F4 ran to New Carrolton, and before the ORANGE line opened, the F4 layed over by the McDonalds at 450 & Princess Garden Pkwy. (My Step-Dad gave up his Z3 Olney to do the F4 New Carrolton)

Actually you are wrong my friend.  The F4 and F6 WERE run by Montgomery.  Unless Northern had RTSs in the mid to late 80s when they practically domintated the F4, then I am wrong, but the F4 was run by Montgomery.  Also Northern NEVER had 9285-89, which also ran on the F4 and 9220-29, which again Northern never had also ran on the F4. 

[DCT S9Z4Z6]

When the F4 & F6 were created in the mid 1970's (1976-77?) MONTGOMERY Division was only a dream.

The J2 & J4 used to run between Beltway Plaza & Friendship Heights (J4) and Beltway Plaza & Montgomery Mall (J2).

As I had stated previously my Step-Dad was an operator, 1st at Northern, then at Montgomery. He used to drive the Z3 that ran from Northern, but when the F4 & F6 was created by splitting the J2/J4 up at Silver Spring, he switched to drive the F4.

So I stand behind my original statement. I have personal knowledge, that in the mid 70's, when the F4 & F6 was created, there was NO Montgomery garage.

Now before you get all huffy & all upset with me, I was referring to the time frame creation of the F4-F6. MID 1970's. (back when the music was good & the. .  never mind. . .)

There was a time, granted, before Hechingers Corparate Office disolved (where Landover Garage now sits) that Montgomery was open & running. (Hechingers was a DC based hardware store) Dad then ran the operator shuttle from Silver Spring Station to Montgomery. I was also fresh out of the NAVY at the time, and just started a family, so my DC region busfanning days were suspended for a time. (I would ask Dad, to verify your/my claim as to Monkey doing F4-6, or Bladendburg, but he passed in 2002)

[WES]

Maybe it should have been phrased better in that before Montgomery was built the F4 and F6 were run by Northern.  As Montgomery opened, the Montgomery routes that were run by Western and Northern were taken over by Montgomery, just like when Landover opened, the routes that were operated by Bladnesburg and Prince George's were turned over to Landover.  I don't dispute your post that the F4/6 were run by Northern but to entirely say that they were never run by Montgomery was incorrect, heck I rode the F4 alot before it was taken over by Landover and like I said, it was RTS dominated.

Until Montgomery began to operate 7 days a week, all of the routes you mentioned that were run by Northern and Western during the weekdays, were still being run by those respective garages.......except for the F4(don't ask me why they switched this route from Northern to Bladensburg, only reasoning was probably Bladensburg was a better deadhead).

[Scrabbleship]

Actually the C29 was created way after WMATA took over the private.  The precursor to that route was T10, T11.  As for WMA I am not sure if they had any routes that had a letter/single number route, when WMATA was taking over the privates, I was about to be introduced into the world

C29 was just an example . It's a better example than what some Wikipedia people have done by assuming that any route that is "X##" in format came from WMA, even if it isn't in what was in WMA territory!!

And to respond from S4Z9Z6, it seems like the Hechinger demise was a gift to WMATA since CET is their former main warehouse (or is on the site of it)!

[WES]

There was a reason why I never looked at Wikipedia.  Carmen E Turner was a gift in so many ways to WMATA they are too numberous to count.  I remember when I was with an auditing firm we did a audit at the old Hechinger warehouse, then a few months later, Hechinger went out of business.  And before there was CET and after Landover opened, Landover did most of the bus acceptances and retirements( to a point they still do).