October 2009 Observations

[Annex4421]

so that's where 4307 is...when did this happen? poor 4307...

I bet this was the same fate 4058 suffered.

[LandoverDivision]

Let's see if I got this right:

6144-6178 LANDOVER
6107-6139, 6212-6217 ANNEX
6179-6211 MONTGOMERY

6312, 6314, 6320-6326, 6328-6329, 6410-6423 LANDOVER
6375-6379, 6393-6394 MONTGOMERY (I think)

4046-4051 are at CET
9489 and 9492 are now retired
3762-3766 NORTHERN (I think)
3751-3759 (I think) WEST OX

[NewFlyer9736BCT]

Let's see if I got this right:

6144-6178 LANDOVER
6107-6139, 6212-6217 ANNEX
6179-6211 MONTGOMERY

6312, 6314, 6320-6326, 6328-6329, 6410-6423 LANDOVER
6375-6379, 6393-6394 MONTGOMERY (I think)

4046-4051 are at CET
9489 and 9492 are now retired
3762-3766 NORTHERN (I think)
3751-3759 (I think) WEST OX

corrections:
6140-6143 are Annex
6375-6379 are at Montgomery, but there's no confirmation about 6377 yet
3760 is the highest at West Ox so far, as for 3761, that's still unknown for now, but that's definitely one of the borderline buses

[NewFlyer9736BCT]

From yesterday:

Ride-On
5333 and 5349 on the 34
5410, with the paint scheme that can never, ever, ever be changed at ANY time, on the 32 (Woodrock)
5411 on the 30
5413 on the 96
5416 on the 30
So far, it is still unknown if 5406, 5409, 5412, and 5415 are at Nicholson yet, if they are, then Nicholson will have all the 5400s

WMATA
2079 on the J9 (then J7 on the way back)
6206, 6207, 6209, 6210 remain at Montgomery, seen on J7/J9

that's pretty much it, I was only in Bethesda yesterday

[LandoverDivision]

Let's see if I got this right:

6144-6178 LANDOVER
6107-6139, 6212-6217 ANNEX
6179-6211 MONTGOMERY

6312, 6314, 6320-6326, 6328-6329, 6410-6423 LANDOVER
6375-6379, 6393-6394 MONTGOMERY (I think)

4046-4051 are at CET
9489 and 9492 are now retired
3762-3766 NORTHERN (I think)
3751-3759 (I think) WEST OX

corrections:
6140-6143 are Annex
6375-6379 are at Montgomery, but there's no confirmation about 6377 yet
3760 is the highest at West Ox so far, as for 3761, that's still unknown for now, but that's definitely one of the borderline buses

I knew about 6140-6143 but forgot to note it again. And how did I know 6377 wasn't there yet. It's probably going to end up there anyways. 3761 is going to end up going to Ox maybe.

[Annex4421]

Ok George I need you on this one and anyone else who knows
4388 and 4389 went from Landover to Royal then Annex?
4396-4398 went from Montgomery to Royal then Annex?

[NewFlyer9736BCT]

Ok George I need you on this one and anyone else who knows
4388 and 4389 went from Landover to Royal then Annex?
4396-4398 went from Montgomery to Royal then Annex?

the suburban Orion Vs are tricky, they have moved a lot recently, but here's my breakdown:

4388-4389 - originally at Annex? (not sure)
4396-4412 - originally at Montgomery

later...(around 2005-2006, give or take)

4388-4389 remains at Annex
4396-4401 remains at Montgomery
4402-4412 moves to Annex

then from that time until today...
4400-4401 moves to Annex
Montgomery's 4390s went to Arlington for a week or 2 then came back to Montgomery
4389 has been spotted on Landover routes, 4388 remains at Annex
Southeast division closes
the rest of Montgomery's 4390s move to either Annex and/or Royal (after SE closes and Royal begins to help out Annex with W13, P17, etc routes)
some of Annex's 4400s move to Royal

today...
4388-4389 are Landover now I think, not sure
4396-4412 are at Annex, not sure if Royal still has some or if they help out with Oxon Hill routes anymore

but like I said, I'm not sure, and it's hard to keep track since they moved a lot

[WMATAGMOAGH]

Ok George I need you on this one and anyone else who knows
4388 and 4389 went from Landover to Royal then Annex?
4396-4398 went from Montgomery to Royal then Annex?

the suburban Orion Vs are tricky, they have moved a lot recently, but here's my breakdown:

4388-4389 - originally at Annex? (not sure)
4396-4412 - originally at Montgomery

later...(around 2005-2006, give or take)

4388-4389 remains at Annex
4396-4401 remains at Montgomery
4402-4412 moves to Annex

then from that time until today...
4400-4401 moves to Annex
Montgomery's 4390s went to Arlington for a week or 2 then came back to Montgomery
4389 has been spotted on Landover routes, 4388 remains at Annex
Southeast division closes
the rest of Montgomery's 4390s move to either Annex and/or Royal (after SE closes and Royal begins to help out Annex with W13, P17, etc routes)
some of Annex's 4400s move to Royal

today...
4388-4389 are Landover now I think, not sure
4396-4412 are at Annex, not sure if Royal still has some or if they help out with Oxon Hill routes anymore



but like I said, I'm not sure, and it's hard to keep track since they moved a lot

George,

Did you leave 4390-4395 off since those are B30 units?  The B30 has only existed for about 6 years or so, those buses had a history before then but I couldn't tell you where they were prior to the B30 service starting (obviously we know where they have been since).

Also, as a N.B., 4400 and up were originally the SmartMover buses, though someone may need to correct me on the lower limit of that range.

[Perry]

I remember those 4390's that are on the B30, which I think has been around since at least 2001, in Arlington.  I rode on one on the 38B years ago.

[NewFlyer9736BCT]

George,

Did you leave 4390-4395 off since those are B30 units?  The B30 has only existed for about 6 years or so, those buses had a history before then but I couldn't tell you where they were prior to the B30 service starting (obviously we know where they have been since).

Also, as a N.B., 4400 and up were originally the SmartMover buses, though someone may need to correct me on the lower limit of that range.

I didn't even realize that, I thought the B30 has been around longer than that, I was assuming that 4390-4395 were at Landover their whole lives.

But like I said, I'm not completely sure when it comes to the past, I just gave my best estimates.

[WayneNYC]

Ok George I need you on this one and anyone else who knows
4388 and 4389 went from Landover to Royal then Annex?
4396-4398 went from Montgomery to Royal then Annex?

the suburban Orion Vs are tricky, they have moved a lot recently, but here's my breakdown:

4388-4389 - originally at Annex? (not sure)
4396-4412 - originally at Montgomery

later...(around 2005-2006, give or take)

4388-4389 remains at Annex
4396-4401 remains at Montgomery
4402-4412 moves to Annex

then from that time until today...
4400-4401 moves to Annex
Montgomery's 4390s went to Arlington for a week or 2 then came back to Montgomery
4389 has been spotted on Landover routes, 4388 remains at Annex
Southeast division closes
the rest of Montgomery's 4390s move to either Annex and/or Royal (after SE closes and Royal begins to help out Annex with W13, P17, etc routes)
some of Annex's 4400s move to Royal

today...
4388-4389 are Landover now I think, not sure
4396-4412 are at Annex, not sure if Royal still has some or if they help out with Oxon Hill routes anymore



but like I said, I'm not sure, and it's hard to keep track since they moved a lot

George,

Did you leave 4390-4395 off since those are B30 units?  The B30 has only existed for about 6 years or so, those buses had a history before then but I couldn't tell you where they were prior to the B30 service starting (obviously we know where they have been since).

Also, as a N.B., 4400 and up were originally the SmartMover buses, though someone may need to correct me on the lower limit of that range.

I remember when the SmartMover buses still had the lettering over the windows, but I'm not sure of the numbers either.  I do remember it was the 4400s, but I don't know if it was all of them or not.

George,
Did you leave 4390-4395 off since those are B30 units?  The B30 has only existed for about 6 years or so, those buses had a history before then but I couldn't tell you where they were prior to the B30 service starting (obviously we know where they have been since).
Also, as a N.B., 4400 and up were originally the SmartMover buses, though someone may need to correct me on the lower limit of that range.

I didn't even realize that, I thought the B30 has been around longer than that, I was assuming that 4390-4395 were at Landover their whole lives.
But like I said, I'm not completely sure when it comes to the past, I just gave my best estimates.

Agreed!  ...and I cannot remember where 4390-4395 were prior to the B30 startup.  Although it's quite possible that Four Mile had them, I can't remember those buses being there.  I'm thinking this is when FMR had 9830-9835 which was probably enough since this was prior to 5A service to IAD.  I don't remember if FMR ever had 4390-4395 (or any of the 43/4400 suburbans), so I'd guess that the B30 buses were at the Annex and/or Royal.

[Annex4421]

Wayne never curse the Annex those airport buses never been at the Annex unless they were Original suburban seated buses before the B30.

[WMATAGMOAGH]

Wayne never curse the Annex those airport buses never been at the Annex unless they were Original suburban seated buses before the B30.

The luggage racks were only installed when the B30 began service.

I'm inclined to say they only moved to Landover when the B30 started up, but I couldn't take a guess as to where they came from.

I haven't seen a 4400 in awhile, but perhaps the outline of the woman wrap that was on some of the windows is still visible.

[Annex4421]

Wayne never curse the Annex those airport buses never been at the Annex unless they were Original suburban seated buses before the B30.

The luggage racks were only installed when the B30 began service.

I'm inclined to say they only moved to Landover when the B30 started up, but I couldn't take a guess as to where they came from.

I haven't seen a 4400 in awhile, but perhaps the outline of the woman wrap that was on some of the windows is still visible.

No the 4400s are just plain buses never seen a women outline on them when they were at the Annex.

[WayneNYC]

Wayne never curse the Annex those airport buses never been at the Annex unless they were Original suburban seated buses before the B30.

The luggage racks were only installed when the B30 began service.

I'm inclined to say they only moved to Landover when the B30 started up, but I couldn't take a guess as to where they came from.

I haven't seen a 4400 in awhile, but perhaps the outline of the woman wrap that was on some of the windows is still visible.

No the 4400s are just plain buses never seen a women outline on them when they were at the Annex.

Yes, because the SmartMover branding was removed from 4400s long before they left Montgomery.  Also any traces of it would've gone away when those buses went though rehab.