Just for Kicks what if wmata orders Gillig Advantages
Hmm would they? Do they even have a contract with Gillig anymore?
Maybe. Do you think WMATA would get Gillig Advantages clean-disels or hybrids?
Prolly Hybrids since they said hybrids can save them millions of gas a year.
Hmmm they would look good in the new paint, what division do you think would take them?
Quote from: annex4421 on September 09, 2009, 11:14:01 PM
Hmmm they would look good in the new paint, what division do you think would take them?
Hmm Landover and maybe West Ox.
Hmmm I think Montgomery and Maybe Northern
Montgomery (since its becoming Gillig country with the ones Ride-On has) and probably West Ox.
Hypothetical Gillig Advantages and Northern? I'd love to see the ride quality one year in on those!
My guess would be Montgomery, West Ox, and maybe Landover. Possibly, possibly Royal if some had suburban seating.
If Gillig Advantages were bought, housed at Northern and even survives a year, with Northern's wear and tear on buses, Gilllig would have a new found respect in terms of major cities considering ordering them.
I think the Advantages would have a chance. Big R's (Ride On) low floor Gilligs (at least the ones in the older scheme) were quite solid when I rode them.
Well Northern's buses do look terrible, But I was considering the fact that when northern gets rebuilt, and I forgot about West Ox the Gilligs would look good out there, and at Landover. But for some reason I fell Montgomery won't take them because Ride-On would probably feel wmata is copying them thats why I feel they should go to a DC Facility
They're not going to decide what garage to base them out of because of what other properties are running them. They also won't get buses that look 'neat' out of one garage or the other.
It would be interesting to see them, but as Wes said, they seem to be locked in with New Flyer for now.
Well with that said perhaps we'll see some C42LFA's in the near future?
Ride On already copied WMATA by getting 40 foot Orion Vs, then WMATA repowered their Orion Vs (9600s) to have DD50s and Voiths. :)
I could see a Gillig BRT in the new WMATA scheme, but not a standard advantage. About the C42LFAs, do you guys really need more CNG buses? Is West Ox CNG capable? Actually, isn't Southeastern supposed to be CNG capable?
Yeah Southeasten is supposed to be CNG don't know about West Ox. As for Gillig BRT's I don't know about that I'd prefer original Gillig's. Wouldn't a C42LFA look like a DE42LFA ?
Won't the get C40LFAs? I wonder if they're going to get C60LFAs? Or go Long beach Transit on us and get GE40LFAs?
GE40LFA?
Quote from: annex4421 on September 11, 2009, 11:21:36 PM
GE40LFA?
Yup Gas Electric. Here, here's a vid of one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amYyL5SlHrY
Wouldn't Wmata have to construct a facility unless Bladensburg get them
Quote from: LandoverDivision on September 11, 2009, 11:26:37 PM
Quote from: annex4421 on September 11, 2009, 11:21:36 PM
GE40LFA?
Yup Gas Electric. Here, here's a vid of one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amYyL5SlHrY
They look like DE42LFA's I like them
Quote from: annex4421 on September 11, 2009, 11:39:29 PM
Quote from: LandoverDivision on September 11, 2009, 11:26:37 PM
Quote from: annex4421 on September 11, 2009, 11:21:36 PM
GE40LFA?
Yup Gas Electric. Here, here's a vid of one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amYyL5SlHrY
They look like DE42LFA's I like them
I'm not sure. I just thought they could get it into any garage.
Well in that case how about the new flyer ones that start with X
Quote from: annex4421 on September 11, 2009, 11:49:27 PM
Well in that case how about the new flyer ones that start with X
The XDE40 aka Xcelsior. Hybrids. Can go into any garage.
Funny if we see that at the Rodeo LOL
Quote from: annex4421 on September 12, 2009, 12:08:47 AM
Funny if we see that at the Rodeo LOL
I know right. Be even funnier to see an Orion VII NG in the express scheme there.
Even funnier if we see some NABI 42 LFW BRT Hybrid in both
Quote from: annex4421 on September 12, 2009, 12:12:48 AM
Even funnier if we see some NABI 42 LFW BRT Hybrid in both
LOL. Flxible Metro-E in the express scheme! Oh man that would kick so much ass!!
I had a dream about that once they had c40lf seats
The return of the 87/88/8900s LOL
Quote from: annex4421 on September 12, 2009, 12:22:20 AM
The return of the 87/88/8900s LOL
Best Flxs EVER! I had a dream 6428 was a Landover bus. Wierd.
DE42LFA?
Although a Gillig Advantage would look sick in the new paint schemes. Anyone agree
I could see a Gillig BRT in the new scheme, but not the regular design...unless it had frameless windows.
Quote from: Tritransit Area on September 15, 2009, 10:22:54 AM
I could see a Gillig BRT in the new scheme, but not the regular design...unless it had frameless windows.
Exactly. I think they do have frameless windows.
Man I could definilty see this in the new Ride On paint scheme
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd19/bjb91/0502.jpg)
Quote from: LandoverDivision on September 15, 2009, 10:28:52 AM
Man I could definilty see this in the new Ride On paint scheme
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd19/bjb91/0502.jpg)
Why that favor's a Van Hool?
Gilligs wouldn't hold up on DC streets, keep dreaming everyone...
Quote from: WMATAGMOAGH on September 16, 2009, 02:13:08 PM
Gilligs wouldn't hold up on DC streets, keep dreaming everyone...
Oren, are you on the "Gillig sucks bandwagon" from Buschat or have you not ridden any of there newer products as of late? I personally think Gillig is one of 2 manufacturers that make a solid product right now. They did have there bad times in the mid 90's but I think they have come a long way since then.
Quote from: rideonrulez on September 16, 2009, 02:48:22 PM
Quote from: WMATAGMOAGH on September 16, 2009, 02:13:08 PM
Gilligs wouldn't hold up on DC streets, keep dreaming everyone...
Oren, are you on the "Gillig sucks bandwagon" from Buschat or have you not ridden any of there newer products as of late? I personally think Gillig is one of 2 manufacturers that make a solid product right now. They did have there bad times in the mid 90's but I think they have come a long way since then.
Agreed. Let's see something besides New Flyers NABIs and Orions.
Quote from: rideonrulez on September 16, 2009, 02:48:22 PM
Quote from: WMATAGMOAGH on September 16, 2009, 02:13:08 PM
Gilligs wouldn't hold up on DC streets, keep dreaming everyone...
Oren, are you on the "Gillig sucks bandwagon" from Buschat or have you not ridden any of there newer products as of late? I personally think Gillig is one of 2 manufacturers that make a solid product right now. They did have there bad times in the mid 90's but I think they have come a long way since then.
The newest Gilligs that I rode extensively were the TCAT hybrids that were part of the NYS Consortium order. I was not impressed with them, and while Ithaca is no sprawling metropolis, the upstate New York weather takes a big toll on those streets. The Gilligs did not provide a comfortable ride in my opinion, I generally preferred getting a New Flyer, Nova LFS, or even an Orion I (and you all know what I generally think of those buses) over a Gillig. Also, according to my contacts at TCAT, they've had maintenance issues with them and the drivers aren't huge fans of them either.
If you think about it RIDE ON is probably as good of a test you got other than Pittsburgh. Some of the routes RIDE ON runs see crush loads on a daily basis and granted Montgomery's Road isn't as bad as say a Baltimore, or New York City, but when you have even New Flyers having their problems on Baltimore streets, Gillig isn't looking too of a manufacturer as it used to be.
WMATA has had a policy of forgive and forget, remember WMATA had a bad relationship with Neoplan because the 40 footers were crap, but years later, WMATA bought more Neoplans. WMATA has had a bad relationship with Gillig also, but that doesn't mean that WMATA will never go back to Gillig for an order.
Gillig has found a good niche in only taking orders from smaller T/As, it has worked well for them, and I don't think they would want to change that to prove themselves they can make a bus sturdy enough to handle large city streets. Gillig likes things the way they are it seems.
I'm not sure why everyone has such a negative view of Gillig, they're one of the only two manufacturers who are still producing quality buses today. Yes, they may have taken a huge dip in the mid-1990s, but their products have been VERY well built in the recent years. Not only are they assembled well, but they are VERY ergonomical and functional as transit buses; switches well positioned, FAST and RELIABLE doors, powerful powertrains, etc.
And for those who don't believe Gilligs will hold up in DC streets, we operate Gilligs in a podunk town in the midwest where you will find streets that are unmaintained concrete slabs that are in WORSE condition than anything you will find anywhere in the DC area and they hold up perfectly fine here
The Gillig Low Floor significantly improved Gillig's image. I'll agree with Oren that they aren't as smooth riding as, let's say, a New Flyer, but boy are they solid. PG's newest Phantoms are outstanding as well.
Quote from: LandoverDivision on September 15, 2009, 10:28:52 AM
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd19/bjb91/0502.jpg)
When I first saw these, I thought they were a restyled Advantage. I would like to see these in the WMATA scheme.
In my opinion i think Gilligs are for small TA like THEBUS and Shuttle UM and maybe Ride-on? Just saying its like NYCTA getting them and i just dont think Gilligs are strong enough for some DC streets.
Quote from: DE42LFA on September 21, 2009, 07:58:24 AM
In my opinion i think Gilligs are for small TA like THEBUS and Shuttle UM and maybe Ride-on? Just saying its like NYCTA getting them and i just dont think Gilligs are strong enough for some DC streets.
If WMATA does somehow get Gilligs, then the Gillig Advantage BRT is the bus to get. I was thinking the too Jereme, but hey you never know what happens. Look at PAT. They got Advantages and Phantoms.
What about some Alexander Dennis Enviro 500 double-deckers, with the upcoming Cummins ISX11.9 engine mated to the Voith D864.5 transmission?
Credit to http://yimsbrother.com/ (http://yimsbrother.com/)
(http://yimsbrother.com/othersmtralexanderdennisenviro803.jpg)
~Ben
can you post a pic please?
Quote from: Annex4421 on November 13, 2009, 11:34:39 PM
can you post a pic please?
The picture has been added to my reply.
~Ben
That doesn't look bad thanks.
Quote from: novabusorionfan on November 15, 2009, 05:34:17 PM
WMATA doesn't need to order Gillig Advantages nor Gillig BRT. ;)
Why you say that?